{"id":14895,"date":"2025-12-28T07:08:00","date_gmt":"2025-12-28T07:08:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/?p=14895"},"modified":"2025-12-28T07:08:01","modified_gmt":"2025-12-28T07:08:01","slug":"upside-down-explained-will-is-gay-and-elevens-sacrifice","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/?p=14895","title":{"rendered":"Upside Down Explained, Will Is Gay and Eleven&#8217;s Sacrifice"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container\">\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <em><em><strong>SPOILER ALERT:\u00a0<\/strong><em>This story contains spoilers from Season 5, Volume 2 of \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/t\/stranger-things\/\">Stranger Things<\/a>, now streaming on Netflix.<\/em><\/em><\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    After four-and-a-half seasons of questions prompted by \u201cStranger Things,\u201d in Volume 2 of the show\u2019s fifth and final season, creators Matt and Ross Duffer offered answers aplenty, while also setting up the potentially tragic stakes of the series finale. That deadly new question \u2014 whether there\u2019s any world in which Eleven (Millie Bobby Brown) can live without her blood being the key ingredient for future weapons of mass destruction \u2014 will be answered when the show\u2019s series finale, \u201cThe Rightside Up,\u201d which drops on Dec. 31.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    But for now, let\u2019s enumerate the big pieces of \u201cStranger Things\u201d mythology we now understand after seeing \u201cShock Jock,\u201d \u201cEscape From Camazotz\u201d and \u201cThe Bridge,\u201d as well as how the show has continued to tie up emotional threads within this tight group of friends who\u2019ve become a large, extended found family.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    Top of mind is how Will (Noah Schnapp) finally \u2014\u00a0finally! \u2014 comes out to his mother, Joyce (Winona Ryder), his brother, Jonathan (Charlie Heaton) and his friends, as they all geared up to head into the Upside Down to fight Henry\/Vecna\/One (Jamie Campbell Bower) for the final battle. In \u201cSorcerer,\u201d the <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/stranger-things-5-explained-will-powers-return-of-eight-vecna-plan-1236592989\/\">climactic conclusion of Volume 1<\/a>, Will harnessed his connection to Vecna, which had been forged when he was kidnapped into the Upside Down on Nov. 6, 1983. Channeling his Eleven-like powers, Will slayed Demogorgons, stopping them in mid-air, and the episode\u2019s final image was him wiping his bloody nose (as Eleven does) from the exertion of it.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  size-large alignnone \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure  lrv-u-font-family-secondary u-color-medium-grey lrv-u-border-b-1 u-border-color-light-grey-tint-two u-margin-b-150 lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \"><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-padding-t-1 lrv-u-padding-b-1\">\n<p>                    <span class=\"lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-line-height-normal lrv-u-font-size-14 u-font-family-neue u-letter-spacing-007-rem u-margin-b-050\">Noah Schnapp <\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"u-color-medium-grey u-font-family-neue-xxs\">Courtesy of Netflix<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    Will had received those powers directly from Vecna:\u00a0The first scene of Volume 1 revealed that Vecna plugged him into the hive while he was in the Upside Down. Will can use his powers for good, as we see, but Vecna can also use his connection to Will against him. He\u2019s been creating the tunnels under Hawkins with his mind, using Will as his spy, just as he was in the second season. In Volume 2, Vecna uses Will to spy again to see where Max (Sadie Sink) is \u2014 a hospital bed in Hawkins \u2014\u00a0which puts her in physical danger. Not wanting any secrets to come between him and his friends, Will decides to come out to them, first by saying, \u201cI don\u2019t like girls,\u201d and then going on to say that Vecna showed him a world in which he was alone because of his sexuality. \u201cIt just felt so real,\u201d Will says, through tears. \u201cYou\u2019ll never lose me,\u201d Joyce tells Will, as Jonathan and then all of Will\u2019s friends say the same, reinforcing their love and support for him before engulfing him in a hug.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    Other interpersonal storylines resolved in Volume 2 are the ongoing questions of what would happen to Nancy (Natalia Dyer) and Jonathan as a couple, and why exactly Dustin (Gaten Matarazzo) has been so angry at Steve (Joe Keery). After Nancy shoots what turns out to be the exotic matter that\u2019s holding the Upside Down together, it causes a literal meltdown that threatens to drown them in goo. So,\u00a0Nancy and Jonathan get real with one another, confessing everything from her hatred of The Clash to the fact that he never applied to Emerson for college (and that she knew). Jonathan takes out the engagement ring he\u2019s been carrying around in a John Coltrane cassette, and says, \u201cNancy Wheeler, will you <em>not<\/em> marry me?\u201d They remain, of course, bonded forever \u2013\u00a0but just as friends from now on.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  size-large alignnone \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure  lrv-u-font-family-secondary u-color-medium-grey lrv-u-border-b-1 u-border-color-light-grey-tint-two u-margin-b-150 lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<p>                        <img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/StrangerThings-Volume2-Jonathan-Nancy.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- height=\"510\" width=\"1024\" \/><\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-padding-t-1 lrv-u-padding-b-1\">\n<p>                    <span class=\"lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-line-height-normal lrv-u-font-size-14 u-font-family-neue u-letter-spacing-007-rem u-margin-b-050\">Charlie Heaton and Natalia Dyer<\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"u-color-medium-grey u-font-family-neue-xxs\">Courtesy of Netflix<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    Speaking of friends, after getting into a physical fight in the basement of the lab, Steve and Dustin separate in an angry snit. But after hearing the ruckus on the upper floors, Steve runs up the stairs to help Nancy, recklessly so. Dustin breaks down, saying he can\u2019t lose Steve after he\u2019s already lost Eddie for trying to be a hero. As Dustin sobs, Steve hugs him, finally understanding why Dustin has been protecting himself from getting hurt again by putting up a hostile front.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    As for the larger \u201cStranger Things\u201d mysteries, it\u2019s Dustin who figures out, having found the journals of Dr. Brenner (Matthew Modine),\u00a0that the Upside Down isn\u2019t its own world or own dimension, but instead is a wormhole: a bridge to another world, one that Dustin names \u201cthe Abyss.\u201d The Abyss, that red, Mars-like space we\u2019ve seen before, is where Eleven sent Henry when she was a small child in Hawkins Lab after he revealed to her that he wanted her by his side in his plot to change (aka destroy!) the world. It\u2019s where Henry evolved into Vecna, and where, at Brenner\u2019s instruction, Eleven found Henry by using her powers, creating the Upside Down. \u201cWhen you made remote contact with the Abyss, the bridge formed,\u201d Dustin tells Eleven and the rest of the group as they formulate their plan. \u201cAnd ever since, Henry and his army of monsters have been using it to cross right back into Hawkins.\u201d The Abyss is also where Vecna retreated after he was nearly defeated in Season 4, Dustin says, to \u201click his wounds\u201d \u2014\u00a0which is why Eleven couldn\u2019t find him.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    The show also begins to reveal how Henry\u2019s powers came to be before the Creel family moved to Hawkins in the late 1950s. Max and Holly (Nell Fisher) tour Henry\u2019s memories in an effort to get them out of Vecna\u2019s mindscape, which Holly has named Camazotz, using the terminology of her favorite book, \u201cA Wrinkle in Time.\u201d They end up at the bottom of a mine shaft, watching as young Henry comes upon a panicked stranger protecting a silver briefcase \u2014 he shoots Henry in the hand so Henry, just a child, beats him to death with a rock. (This development is alluded to in the stage play \u201cStranger Things: The First Shadow,\u201d when Brenner, Henry\u2019s keeper after he murdered his parents, mentions that Henry had been found in a cave in Nevada after going missing on his 8th birthday. After that, Brenner says, Henry was different.) Henry opens the case, but we don\u2019t see what happens after that \u2014 because\u00a0Max pulls Holly away. \u201cWe will see that briefcase again,\u201d Ross Duffer says. \u00a0\u201cYou\u2019re going to get the answers to those questions in the final episode.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  size-large alignnone \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure  lrv-u-font-family-secondary u-color-medium-grey lrv-u-border-b-1 u-border-color-light-grey-tint-two u-margin-b-150 lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<p>                        <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Max-Holly.Volume2.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- height=\"512\" width=\"1024\" \/><\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-padding-t-1 lrv-u-padding-b-1\">\n<p>                    <span class=\"lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-line-height-normal lrv-u-font-size-14 u-font-family-neue u-letter-spacing-007-rem u-margin-b-050\">Nell Fisher and Sadie Sink <\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"u-color-medium-grey u-font-family-neue-xxs\">Courtesy of Netflix<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    Henry\u2019s powers (and their transmissibility) are essential to Eleven\u2019s existential dilemma heading into the series finale. Kali\/Eight (Linnea Berthelsen) reveals to Eleven she\u2019d been held in a military lab because Dr. Kay was transfusing her blood into pregnant women in the hope that the fetuses would eventually develop her telekinetic powers. That\u2019s how she learned, Kali then tells Eleven, that Brenner had similarly infused the biological mothers of all the kids in Hawkins Lab with Henry\u2019s blood \u2014 resulting in Eleven becoming his perfect replica (and the other kids also developing powers). \u201cThey will find you,\u201d Kali says. \u201cAnd they will create more. Like Henry.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    Those are the stakes of \u201cThe Right Side Up,\u201d the Duffers say. Is Kali correct in saying that she and Eleven should hang back in the Upside Down as it\u2019s destroyed, removing the threat of them ever being used again as weapons? Or is Mike (Finn Wolfhard) right when he says to Eleven that <em>they\u2019re<\/em> the ones who get to decide how things will end? \u201cYou, me, Lucas, Will and Dustin,\u201d Mike tells her. \u201cBecause this is <em>our<\/em> story.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    \u201cHow can there be a happy ending here?\u201d Matt Duffer asks rhetorically. \u201cThat\u2019s the question going into the finale.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    In the interview below, the Duffers delve into that question, as well as writing Will\u2019s coming out scene, when they decided what the Upside Down is, Henry\u2019s backstory, how Max can help Eleven in the series finale \u2014\u00a0and much more.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  size-large alignnone \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure  lrv-u-font-family-secondary u-color-medium-grey lrv-u-border-b-1 u-border-color-light-grey-tint-two u-margin-b-150 lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<p>                        <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Will-Joyce-StrangerThings.Volume2.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- height=\"512\" width=\"1024\" \/><\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-padding-t-1 lrv-u-padding-b-1\">\n<p>                    <span class=\"lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-line-height-normal lrv-u-font-size-14 u-font-family-neue u-letter-spacing-007-rem u-margin-b-050\">Noah Schnapp <\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"u-color-medium-grey u-font-family-neue-xxs\">Courtesy of Netflix<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Will\u2019s coming out scene! For Volume 1, we talked about how you wanted it to be that as Will\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/stranger-things-5-explained-will-powers-return-of-eight-vecna-plan-1236592989\/\">\u201cbegan to accept himself,<\/a>\u201d he\u2019d be able to achieve the kind of strength he needed to access his powers. Did you always know you wanted Will to have a huge coming out scene with everyone as the final battle approached?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Ross Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>Will\u2019s coming out is something we\u2019ve been talking about and wanting to do for a very long time. Originally, it was going to be in Season 4, and we just realized we didn\u2019t have the space to do it properly. And I\u2019m glad we didn\u2019t, because it really gave us time to arc an entire season toward this \u2014 toward this one moment. And yes, he is starting to embrace himself, which we see in Volume 1.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    But what he realizes is that there\u2019s still something in there that Vecna exploits \u2014 which is that he hasn\u2019t told anyone about this. That ultimately led to the coming out scene. Originally, it was just going to be Joyce in the original draft of the outline. And the scene was not hitting properly. We realized that\u00a0Joyce is an important part of this, but\u00a0he really needed to do it in front of everyone.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How did you work with Noah Schnapp on that scene, both in the writing of it and on the day of filming it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Matt Duffer:<\/strong>\u00a0Ross and I spent longer writing that scene, I think, than certainly any other scene this year \u2014 if not ever. We were so\u00a0concerned about getting it right.\u00a0There were a lot of things that went into it. I mean, we\u2019re definitely nervous about how it\u2019s going to go over with everyone. But not as nervous as we were handing it over to Noah. Because ultimately, it needed to resonate and be truthful for him. We really were writing it to and for Noah.\u00a0He wrote us sobbing after he read it. So it really worked and resonated for him, which was great.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    On the day, frankly, there wasn\u2019t really much direction at all. Noah spent a long time \u2014 I mean,\u00a0<em>months \u2014\u00a0<\/em>prepping for that scene, that moment. Luckily, that script was done well in advance. I know he did a lot of work himself.\u00a0It was a lot of pressure on the day, because not only are you performing this scene that you know is the most important scene for you in the season, you\u2019re doing it in front of not just a crew, but basically all his fellow actors. And they were all there for him. The only thing we said was, \u201cHow do you want us to start? Where do you want the camera to be?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    And most of what\u2019s in there is the first take. It\u2019s just one of those moments you always hope for when you\u2019re working with an actor \u2014 he seemed to access something incredibly truthful. It didn\u2019t feel like he was acting. I think Noah completely lost himself in that scene, and that take is what wound up in the show.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Will doesn\u2019t actually say, \u201cI\u2019m gay\u201d \u2014 the way he frames his coming out is in different ways. Can you talk about how you wanted him to express himself?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Ross Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>For us, it was just trying to make sure that the scene felt unique to both Will and unique for a coming out scene. For us, it was about the\u00a0<em>fears \u2014<\/em>\u00a0because that\u2019s what Vecna does. He preys on the fears, which allows us to explore whether it\u2019s someone like Max, who\u2019s dealing with trauma and depression, or in this case, Will.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    The fear is something that Vecna, what he\u2019s talking about, feels really real and grounded\u00a0to Will, which is not that everyone\u2019s going to\u00a0make fun of him or be mean to him. It\u2019s that everyone\u2019s going to slowly withdraw from him. Talking about it like that, and then getting the reassurance from them \u2014 once we had that, then the arc of the scene seemed to make sense, and it felt very specific\u00a0to both\u00a0something that Vecna would do, but also to Will as a character. That\u2019s when it really clicked, and that\u2019s why it also helped to have everyone there, as opposed to just Joyce.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:<\/strong>\u00a0I would just add that another thing that helped click it for us, and why he says, \u201cI don\u2019t like girls.\u201d This came about once we added the other actors, his friends, into the scene: It\u2019s about how they are so similar in every way. He\u2019s talking about everything they share in common, and how little difference there is between them, and at the end of the day, there is no difference.\u00a0They\u2019re the same people they always were. There\u2019s just one thing that\u2019s different about him. That\u2019s what he\u2019s scared of sharing with them. And that\u2019s why it felt right for him to express it that way.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  size-large alignnone \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure  lrv-u-font-family-secondary u-color-medium-grey lrv-u-border-b-1 u-border-color-light-grey-tint-two u-margin-b-150 lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<p>                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/StrangerThings-Volume2.Eight-Eleven.1.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- height=\"512\" width=\"1024\" \/><\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-padding-t-1 lrv-u-padding-b-1\">\n<p>                    <span class=\"lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-line-height-normal lrv-u-font-size-14 u-font-family-neue u-letter-spacing-007-rem u-margin-b-050\">Linnea Berthelsen and Millie Bobby Brown<\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"u-color-medium-grey u-font-family-neue-xxs\">Courtesy of Netflix<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Switching topics! When, in writing the show, did you decide there were two different things, the Upside Down and the Abyss?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:<\/strong>\u00a0That was something that I can say was early on. That was all the way back in Season 1: Netflix\u00a0just wanted us to explain the mythology to them, because we were very adamant early on, \u201cWe don\u2019t want to explain it in the show. We like that there\u2019s mystery, and that there\u2019s a lot that you don\u2019t understand by the end of the season.\u201d They said, \u201cThat\u2019s fine, but we would like to know.\u201d I think it was actually a really good exercise \u2014\u00a0we spent quite a bit of time with our writers figuring out exactly what the Upside Down was. We wrote a 20-page mythology document. It wasn\u2019t called the Abyss at that point; it was called Dimension X, which is a Ninja Turtle reference.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    But yeah, that\u2019s been in there, baked in there, for a while. We\u2019ve been holding those cards back for so long; it was a real relief to actually be able to show our hands here.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Can you talk about creating the life and death stakes for Eleven going into the series finale? That if she survives, the military will just continue to hunt her down and make more of her from Henry\u2019s blood?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Ross Duffer:<\/strong>\u00a0This is one of the reasons we want to bring Kali back \u2014 there\u2019s really been dual threats throughout the run of \u201cStranger Things.\u201d There is the supernatural threat, which is represented by Vecna this season. But the military has\u00a0<em>always<\/em>\u00a0posed a threat, from Season 1 on. Even when Brenner is gone, he\u00a0gets continually replaced by someone else. In this case, in Season 5, by Kay. So we needed Kali to represent\u00a0maybe a more pessimistic, but perhaps realistic, version, compared to Mike\u2019s worldview of <em>we\u2019re gonna have butterflies and rainbows<\/em>. And Kali\u2019s going, \u201cHow is this going to work? And what is the solution here, that you can live a normal life?\u201d That\u2019s really a huge part of Eleven\u2019s journey this season.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>So did Eleven create the Upside Down? Because this is a debate we\u2019ve been <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2022\/tv\/news\/stranger-things-millie-bobby-brown-eleven-upside-down-vecna-1235296870\/\">having at\u00a0<em>Variety<\/em>\u00a0since Season 4<\/a>.<\/strong><br \/><strong><br \/>Matt Duffer:<\/strong>\u00a0Oh! Yes. The answer is yes. Not her fault, I would say!<\/p>\n<p><strong>It was Brenner\u2019s fault.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>She was forced to do that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>When did you come up with the idea that Brenner had used Henry\u2019s blood to create more Henrys \u2014 with El being the most successful manifestation of that \u2014 presumably to be Cold War-era weapons?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:<\/strong> I think that came about when we were working both on the play and Season 4, if I recall. Because so much of it ties into Henry, into One. Once we started to really explore that, we felt that it was interesting to then use that to\u00a0explain and delve into where these powers actually originated from.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is there a way for Eleven\u00a0<em>not<\/em>\u00a0to have Henry\u2019s blood in her?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>The idea is no, because we like that this is something that\u2019s in her DNA. It\u2019s unchangeable. There\u2019s no magic antidote that\u2019s going to solve this issue. And we like that, because it just creates a very complicated, messy situation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    It\u2019s very easy to say, \u201cHey, we\u2019re going to go fight the bad guy and defeat the evil!\u201d But even if they\u2019re able to do that and survive that, there\u2019s this other, almost even darker, more complicated question on the other side of that.\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  size-large alignnone \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure  lrv-u-font-family-secondary u-color-medium-grey lrv-u-border-b-1 u-border-color-light-grey-tint-two u-margin-b-150 lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<p>                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Steve-Dustin-StrangerThings.Volume2.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- height=\"512\" width=\"1024\" \/><\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-padding-t-1 lrv-u-padding-b-1\">\n<p>                    <span class=\"lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-line-height-normal lrv-u-font-size-14 u-font-family-neue u-letter-spacing-007-rem u-margin-b-050\">Joe Keery and Gaten Matarazzo <\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"u-color-medium-grey u-font-family-neue-xxs\">Courtesy of Netflix<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>How is it that\u00a0<em>Steve<\/em>, of all people, came up with the final plan of what they\u2019re going to do?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Ross Duffer:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, Steve\u2019s grown up a lot over the years. And particularly this season, he\u2019s been beaten up a little bit by Dustin. He\u2019s a little behind a lot of time; he\u2019s like Donnie in \u201cThe Big Lebowski\u201d sometimes, where he\u2019s just a step or two behind. But Steve is a smart guy, and I think he\u2019s shown that over the years. As we were working on that penultimate episode, we thought, \u201cWho better to come up with the final \u2014 and arguably the most important plan \u2014 they\u2019ve ever had than Steve \u2018The Hair\u2019 Harrington?&#8217;\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:<\/strong>\u00a0And his favorite childhood story was \u201cJack\u00a0and the Beanstalk.\u201d That\u2019s the other thing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Is the Abyss\/Dimension X, the other world where Henry is, the place he originally entered as a child?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>Correct. Yes. I don\u2019t think in the show we ever call it Dimension X \u2014 maybe that was in a script, and maybe we\u2019ve referred to that in interviews. But it was never officially Dimension X. So that\u2019s now always the Abyss, just to keep things as confusing as possible.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  size-large alignnone \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure  lrv-u-font-family-secondary u-color-medium-grey lrv-u-border-b-1 u-border-color-light-grey-tint-two u-margin-b-150 lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<p>                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/StrangerThings-Volume2-Vecna-Abyss.1.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- height=\"512\" width=\"1024\" \/><\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-padding-t-1 lrv-u-padding-b-1\">\n<p>                    <span class=\"lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-line-height-normal lrv-u-font-size-14 u-font-family-neue u-letter-spacing-007-rem u-margin-b-050\">Jamie Campbell Bower <\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"u-color-medium-grey u-font-family-neue-xxs\">Courtesy of Netflix<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Shawn Levy told my colleague Jenny Maas in a postmortem coming out soon that the answer is no to them being the same thing. He said to ask you guys!\u00a0He said he doesn\u2019t think the Abyss is Dimension X.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>I\u2019m gonna have to text him and clarify this for him.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>The man with the briefcase that young Henry meets in that mine shaft \u2014 is there more to that story of how Henry got his powers that day that we\u2019re going to see in the series finale?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Ross Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>Yes, we will see that briefcase again. You\u2019re going to get the answers to those questions in the final episode.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>You\u2019ve only seen half of that core memory.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>I wanted to ask about other beats you wanted in Volume 2 as you wound the show down. We talked about Will coming out \u2014 Nancy and Jonathan figure themselves out, Dustin and Steve make up. Can you just talk about tying up threads and what you felt was essential to do?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Ross Duffer:<\/strong>\u00a0It was really important\u00a0for us that all of our characters, as they head into the final battle,\u00a0have really resolved those tensions or conflicts. That they\u2019re all working on the same page \u2014 whether those conflicts are external with others, or internal with themselves. Because in our mind, if the party\u2019s actually going to be able to defeat this great evil, they have to be all working at the best of their ability, and be all on the same page. So it was important just to resolve those tensions and conflicts. There\u2019s one left, really.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>The Eleven one.\u00a0The Eleven one is sort of the big outstanding\u00a0issue that has not been resolved going in finale.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  size-large alignnone \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure  lrv-u-font-family-secondary u-color-medium-grey lrv-u-border-b-1 u-border-color-light-grey-tint-two u-margin-b-150 lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<p>                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/StrangerThings-Eleven-submerged.Volume2.1.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- height=\"512\" width=\"1024\" \/><\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-padding-t-1 lrv-u-padding-b-1\">\n<p>                    <span class=\"lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-line-height-normal lrv-u-font-size-14 u-font-family-neue u-letter-spacing-007-rem u-margin-b-050\">Millie Bobby Brown<\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"u-color-medium-grey u-font-family-neue-xxs\">Courtesy of Netflix<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Meaning, can Eleven survive and have the world be safe?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>Yes, exactly. How can there be a happy ending here? That\u2019s the question going into the finale. Is Mike right, or is Kali right?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Can you talk about how you resolved the Nancy-Jonathan story? Like, like an \u201cI choose me\u201d situation?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>Yeah, that was probably the scene we spent the\u00a0<em>second<\/em>\u00a0longest on. It\u2019s quite a long scene; it\u2019s complicated, what they\u2019re going through. It\u2019s very messy, because they do love each other very much, but we always felt that at the end of the day, they need to let each other go in order to grow as people and be independent.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    But at the same time, there\u2019s a very real \u2014 and I think a lot of people experience this \u2014 conflict, in the sense that they have gone through something\u00a0very unique, and in their case, challenging. And how could anyone else\u00a0<em>ever<\/em>\u00a0understand them the way, say, Jonathan understands Nancy or vice versa, having not gone through this? Can they ever form a connection with someone that is as meaningful as this? But also, how do you grow as a person on your own? You need that independence.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    So that was the idea behind the scene, and what we really wanted to explore.\u00a0We had been planning to get there for a while, just figuring out how to exactly articulate that was challenging. But we\u2019re really proud of that scene and, and specifically, how good Charlie and Natalia are.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>What was that goo, and why did it stop dripping, or whatever it was doing?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Ross Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>We just wanted to put Jonathan and Nancy in a situation where they thought they were going to die \u2014 and, of course, don\u2019t. But the backstory is that when the exotic matter, or dark matter, is disturbed, it disrupts the environment around, in this case, the lab, causing it to melt. But at a certain point \u2014 as you see earlier in Episode 5, when Jonathan and Nancy are on the upper levels of the lab \u2014 they see that this goo, this melted stuff, has hardened. At a certain point, it does harden. And in this case, we\u00a0show how long it takes.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>You\u00a0can think of it like the sun \u2014 the exotic matter is circular, and then as it dies down over time, the melting slows and stops. The nightmare scenario for Jonathan and Nancy would be end up like those soldiers you saw in the prior episode, where they get trapped.<\/p>\n<p><strong>You guys answered so much in 5, 6 and 7, but \u2014\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>The table is set, so to speak, going into the finale.\u00a0But the big thing is Henry\u2019s backstory specifically, and his connection to the Mind Flayer. So those are the two areas that I think are the most\u00a0revelatory or impactful as we move into the final episode.\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  size-large alignnone \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure  lrv-u-font-family-secondary u-color-medium-grey lrv-u-border-b-1 u-border-color-light-grey-tint-two u-margin-b-150 lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<p>                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Max-Holly.Abyss_.1-StrangerThings.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- height=\"512\" width=\"1024\" \/><\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-padding-t-1 lrv-u-padding-b-1\">\n<p>                    <span class=\"lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-line-height-normal lrv-u-font-size-14 u-font-family-neue u-letter-spacing-007-rem u-margin-b-050\">Sadie Sink and Nell Fisher as Holly Wheeler <\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"u-color-medium-grey u-font-family-neue-xxs\">Courtesy of Netflix<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>How useful can Max be, having spent a year and a half in Vecna\u2019s mind?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ross Duffer:<\/strong>\u00a0Pretty useful,\u00a0because she knows she knows his memories, and that is where Eleven is going \u2014 she\u2019s going into his mind, or into \u201cCamazotz,\u201d in order to fight him.\u00a0So I think if Max hadn\u2019t spent all that time there and hadn\u2019t learned her way around, it would make this final battle nearly impossible.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>The last time we talked, you still had work to do, and you weren\u2019t there yet in terms of feeling like this experience was coming to an end. Where are you now?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Ross Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>Well, we don\u2019t have work to do anymore!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <strong>Matt Duffer:\u00a0<\/strong>It\u2019s\u00a0a weird feeling. We finished last week \u2014 or it was yanked away from us last week. I mean, we would be working on it for another year if we could.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    It feels very odd. But on the other hand, we\u2019ve been working on it for three years, and it felt right \u2014 the right time to let it go. And we\u2019re just excited for people to finally see it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n    <em>This interview has been edited and condensed.<\/em><em \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m lrv-u-text-align-left  \">\n    <strong>\u2022 <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/stranger-things-5-explained-will-powers-return-of-eight-vecna-plan-1236592989\/\"><strong>The <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/t\/duffer-brothers\/\" id=\"auto-tag_duffer-brothers\" data-tag=\"duffer-brothers\">Duffer Brothers<\/a><\/strong> <\/a>break down all the Volume 1 spoilers<br \/><strong>\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/noah-schnapp-stranger-things-5-will-powers-coming-out-1236593002\/\">Noah Schnapp<\/a> <\/strong>on Turning Into the [SPOILER] in Volume 1<br \/><strong>\u2022<\/strong> <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/sadie-sink-stranger-things-5-max-vecna-rocks-dream-1236584636\/\">Sadie Sink<\/a> <\/strong>on Max\u2019s Key Role in Volume 1<br \/><strong>\u2022<\/strong> <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/holly-wheeler-stranger-things-5-demogorgon-attack-max-1236575937\/\">Nell Fisher<\/a><\/strong> on Playing Holly Wheeler in Season 5<br \/><strong>\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/features\/stranger-things-5-cast-last-day-on-set-1236575810\/\">The Cast of \u2018Stranger Things\u2019<\/a><\/strong> on the Show\u2019s Final Days<br \/><strong>\u2022 <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/features\/stranger-things-5-duffer-bros-ending-spinoffs-1236551615\/\"><strong>Variety\u2019s \u201cStranger Things\u201d Oct. 15 Cover Story<\/strong><\/a> About the Duffers<br \/><strong>\u2022<\/strong> <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/cara-buono-stranger-things-5-demogorgon-steals-holly-1236592482\/\">Cara Buono<\/a> <\/strong>on Karen\u2019s Kick-Ass Hero Moment (At Last)<br \/><strong>\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/stranger-things-spinoff-new-characters-not-star-wars-1236554757\/\">The Duffer Brothers<\/a><\/strong> on the \u2018Stranger Things\u2019 Spinoff<br \/><strong>\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/stranger-things-linda-hamilton-millie-bobby-brown-retirement-1236591293\/\">Linda Hamilton<\/a> <\/strong>on Being Millie Bobby Brown\u2019s \u2018Biggest Fan\u2019<br \/><strong>\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/shawn-levy-stranger-things-origins-franchise-future-1236590877\/\">Shawn Levy<\/a> <\/strong>on \u2018Sticking the Landing\u2019 for Season 5<br \/><strong>\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/david-harbour-stranger-things-5-hopper-1236588795\/\">David Harbour<\/a> <\/strong>on How \u2018Stranger Things\u2019 Has Changed Him<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/stranger-things-5-upside-down-explained-will-gay-eleven-sacrifice-1236615411\/\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>SPOILER ALERT:\u00a0This story contains spoilers from Season 5, Volume 2 of \u201cStranger Things, now streaming on Netflix. After four-and-a-half seasons of questions prompted by \u201cStranger Things,\u201d in Volume 2 of the show\u2019s fifth and final season, creators Matt and Ross Duffer offered answers aplenty, while also setting up the potentially tragic stakes of the series &#8230; <a title=\"Upside Down Explained, Will Is Gay and Eleven&#8217;s Sacrifice\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/?p=14895\" aria-label=\"Read more about Upside Down Explained, Will Is Gay and Eleven&#8217;s Sacrifice\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":14896,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"fifu_image_url":"","fifu_image_alt":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-14895","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Upside-Down-Explained-Will-Is-Gay-and-Elevens-Sacrifice.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14895","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=14895"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14895\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14897,"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14895\/revisions\/14897"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/14896"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=14895"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=14895"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.jubi24.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=14895"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}